Building a World of True Love

Hyo Jin Moon
December 10, 2006
7:00 am
Belvedere

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim’s speech Sunday 10 December 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/ and http://definingmoment.eu/
Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He places a small notebook on the podium.)

Good morning.

Let’s talk about a little lofty topic today. Today’s topic is "Building a world of True Love"

Everybody wants love? (Yes) True Love? (Yes)

What is love to you? Can you help me out?

Let me hear your opinion; what is love to you?

(Someone answers "living for the sake of others")

Living for the sake of others, can we all agree on that?

Is that the definition of love?

Life is an offering right? Love is an offering.

When you make a vow of love and you open your hearts in matrimony you make the vow to care, to cherish, to love "till death do us part" and beyond.

Basically it’s that; it’s the offering of each other.

If you put True on top of it that then what changes in terms of the definition? Does anything change? Or is this something that you add on to that offering?

I think "True" is something that is added on to the basic definition. That’s the greatest that you possess.

That’s what your individual Truth is. Everybody has individual Truth. You can’t just talk about universality all the time. Before you talk about universality, you have to define your self clearly. You have to know how to present your self and be yourself in the best way possible, the greatest that you possess.

That is your individual truth and nobody can deny that fact because we are in some way…

Look. The concept of idiosyncrasy is that little thing that makes you different; but it’s much deeper than that. Based on the notion of what we basically understand, individual truth is the greatest offering that we can make for the sake of others, not for the sake of your selfish exploitation reasons.

Of course everything can turn bad. Everything good can be turned bad. You know the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil comes from the same root. It’s the same tree but you take the fruit and it can give you false knowledge and at the same time true knowledge.

Basically that’s where we are in the end. That’s why responsibility is crucial. That’s why failure to do that causes all sorts of problems and ultimately when you are faced with problems you have to address, you have to remedy it. You have to rectify it if need be.

That’s when things get complicated. That’s the basic premise.

So when you talk about True Love, you have to answer that question to your self: "What is my greatest self?" Because that’s the offering that you’re going to make, if you want to achieve True Love with something other than your self. Now that you have to answer: What is your greatest offering?

I have no idea. I’m still struggling with mine. What is my greatest offering? I have all sorts of ideas about how much I can contribute in this and that, but I’m still struggling to find the greatest… at my own level. I know in kind of general terms which direction that I should go because I have a big hint, called my name. (Laughter)

That’s the first thing that I have to before I think of anything else on my own. If you accept the concept of subject-object relation ship because it’s important because you have to understand your boundaries right?

We have form; that’s why we have existence. Life doesn’t exist without form. If you don’t have form you don’t exist. What does that tell you? It tells you that there is a boundary that you have to understand and that you have to accept. Otherwise you’re nothing. It’s not even in the category of death. You just don’t exist.

That’s where you have to start, with the basic stuff in search of greater truth. If you what to change the world, pretty much that’s where you have to start…..yourself… then family, and realistically if you try to actually create a world like that, the next level is the local church. That’s about it.

The locality before you talk about districts and regions and nations bla bla. No matter how you segment it, it doesn’t matter. You have to expand based on what is expandable in reality. How do things expand in reality? That is the key question that you always have to address whether you like it or not. Just because you think big constantly doesn’t guarantee that it’s going to happen in practicality.

You can talk about the importance of having a nation and the body of it or structure of it, but that’s just a skeleton if you don’t have what it takes to build something that is concrete and substantial and it has to be real. Expansion has to be based on what is fundamentally real.

That’s where you actually, literally, beyond your family, practice True Love. If you practice that stuff, it’s not something far away, it’s right there, right in front of you, just beyond your own individual family. That’s important.

No matter how good you are at anything, you constantly have to practice if you want to expand, accomplish. Otherwise your mastery is just in your head. It has nothing to do with a reality that others can touch and feel. Without that people don’t change.

People force change. That’s why you get a confused group of people. You create greater confusion. What has to change is something that is fundamentally based, and fundamentally can grow in reality. From that we can make something happen in a bigger way.

If that spreads, if that is the basic foundation that things are focused on and things are encouraged, and things are supported, sure! We can build our own nation. Sure! Because it’s doable. It is real. The reality is based on substantial grounds for physical expansion. Expansion can actually be measured and you can actually see the change and feel the effects.

Through that kind of give-and-take, because people are in it; they’re sensitive not just with their spirit or subconscious mind or intellect. IT’S REAL! Even the process of trying to teach your children to do the right thing becomes easier because you can say "Hey! Look at that! Look at this!" It’s not arbitrary; its’ not cryptic; it’s not abstract; it’s there.

I know a thing or two about symbolism. What good is it is it if you don’t have a substantial foundation in which that symbolism can be the juice that makes you expand?

Yes, it can be done. You can build the world based on true Love, but it starts with the right way of approach. Starting from the individual you have to ask basic questions, simple questions, and when you answer it, can you take it to the next level and you mean it as much as it was important to you to find what ever is the greatest that you are that you’re willing to make the offering for the sake of whatever… Even for your own good. For your goodness sake.

You don’t try to be good just because you have so many fans right? You want to be good because it makes you feel good most of the time. I don’t understand how people say I want to be good because of my fans and stuff. That’s nice.

I believe that everyone has something true to offer. True Love encourages true offering because that’s what it is. I know you want it. If you really want it, that’s what you have to do. Don’t just talk about it. Go for it.

And if you do, others will recognize that, and if it is True Love it will be embedded in their heart. I don’t know how long, eons, whatever. I don’t know. I’m not dead yet.

Can we build something in True Love? (Yes) and if so, it starts from…. I believe it’s important to be involved in your local churches beyond your family; it’s just a step above. The more you do it will be good for you and good for the church in the end. That’s what you can do to practice what you do normally for your self and your individual family.

See how much you can expand, how much you’re willing to volunteer beyond coercion. (Hyo-Jin-nim laughs) Because when you’re in True Love It’s not just a coerced act, you volunteer right? When you have a loving relationship how can it be a loving relationship when you always have to write a contract for every give-and-take?

I think something else is more important in that kind of relationship. THINGS!

Bill Gates and this other guy have one hundred billion dollars in their foundation. In twenty years it will probably become a trillion dollars. There are so many things out there that will give you high interest. At about 8% in about seven years it will double your money.

When you have that kind of money there are so many ways that you can squeeze money out of people that want to use your mind. If you have a trillion dollars to spend, that’s pretty substantial in the physical world. Sure you can do a whole lot of good just with that money. Unless you have that bottom line you can’t even try to think like that. Don’t. Because in the, end you’ll only get stupid. That’s about it.

Why are they chosen to be that rich? I don’t know. Ask God. (Laughter)

Know yourself.

Know your intent.

OK?

And if you have desire, please check it.

If you want to ask questions about your self, who’s going to?

You can’t be true if you can’t stand up for yourself in the end.

To yourself and to god…

That’s the only thing that is important when it comes to defense. Because that’s the only thing that matters, should matter, to an individual.

Otherwise if you do everything right you don’t need to defend your self, right? Others will know.

True Love… Don’t think it’s too far. It starts from you.

OK?

Take care of yourselves.

How Can We Earn Something That Can Last?

Hyo Jin Moon
December 3, 2006
Belvedere

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim's speech Sunday 03 December 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim's website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/ and http://definingmoment.eu/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He places a small notebook on the podium.)

Good morning.

Today's topic is "How can we earn something that can last?"

Anything that can last has to have some kind of relevance to the human and Divine relationship, right? It has to reflect your understanding, at least, your recognition of the existence of God. That's where we have to start. Otherwise it's going to be very difficult to define it, because you can't prove it; you'd be dead.

When we talk about our individual perfection, how do you define that? What is perfection, just being mechanical? What is the reference that we're using to define perfection? In the twentieth century a lot of heavy emphasis was given to technological advancement and we pride ourselves because that civilization benefited in many convenient ways.

What's beyond that? What is beyond what we are? How do you define perfection beyond the reference that we have, that gives us what we have, that gives us convenience, and the lifestyle as we know it?

And for some it's never enough. Most people appreciate the development of humankind in terms of understanding and our ability to control the advancement of knowledge and know-how into things and the ability that comes from understanding, the ability to manipulate and control for the service of our usage, needs, and what-not.

From that you have some definition of convenience, but to some people that's not enough. They want more beyond this convenience and this basic comfort that we expect in a civil society. They want more. It goes beyond that for some people, luxury, VIP treatment and just the best in everything. It never ends!

To many people earning is a concept especially looking at it in the capitalistic way of looking at things. It's very, very important. The bottom line is important. "Make sure the profit is decent." For the amount of investment, for the amount your sacrifice in your mind, what ever that might be, what ever point of reference that you are using, as some kind of central guideline.

A lot of people, when they use a point of referenced like that, they kind of set themselves in a central figure position. Many times that becomes a problem with how everything is viewed upon, how everything is judged by people like that, and the people that they are influencing.

So how do you deal with that kind of difference in... They'll be many people like that with their very strong view of how things should be, of how profit should be made and making all sorts of different standards of judgment.

In that situation what are we competing against? Who are we competing against, and to what end, what purpose? What kind of group of people are we competing with and why should that be important to everyone else? What if you don't believe in that thing? What if you say "My life is too short for that nonsense. I want to find something more meaningful. Is there something more meaningful than that?"

So who sets the target? In Democracy majority rules, right? In any Democratic society, if you're going to find the pulse of that society, you have to define what the majority is and you have to properly define it if you want to make a difference.

There is a way to earn things. Earning is important to you. Why, because you have to make a living. It's a personal earning. Yes there's a concept of that. But shouldn't there be a concept of universal earning? What's that? I guess that's the opposite of personal earning, something that can benefit something greater than yourself, in the extreme sense humanity. That's big, but hey! Why not? We have to at least talk about it; think about that concept; and why not make it exist? Is that the sense of idealism? Is that how idealism is born? Should that matter to everybody?

If you think about earnings, you have to think about that too... not just you but all… if you believe in God. Otherwise why would you want to talk about God?

When you talk about individual perfection, to me it's an awareness, an awareness of me, myself, that I exist with God, that I have a relationship with God. That's what perfection is to me, individually. I will die. I will probably die without knowing everybody's (people in the room) name. (Laughter) If God exists and if I want to earn something on my own that can last forever, literally that's how it's going to be; it's going to be forever. Forever relationship and in that relationship forever changing and greater understanding of one another however many it might be.

What ever that I believe God to be that keeps me good, I will forever continuously understand more, more in depth and breadth, in three dimensions forever, universally. That's the kind of excitement that I look forward to if I think about dying. If you don't have something like that it going to be one heck of a miserable ride, right? I know it's going to be miserable.

It aught to be miserable; the more you take on it gets harder. It's not going to get any easier. I certainly have to try to keep my sanity intact, and at the same time my humility intact. It's going to be hard.

I always have to ask myself "Why the heck am I doing this?" in what ever that I do. For me when I play something, it's just a tool for me. I'm trying to so something so that I can help the old man. I wouldn't touch it otherwise.

I terms of how Parents look at status and stuff, I'll do something else a little more overtly, but that kind of stuff is just peripheral. It (music) is just a tool I don't need it. That doesn't have to be some kind of central thing in my life. It's just a part of something that I know how to use. It's a tool.

Because everything matters, in this job, in our endeavor; everything that is visual, oral, communicational, it matters. This kind of conversation matters too right? (Yes.) What ever it takes; that's the bottom line. That's what I'm trying to do… to earn something that I can… long time.

How can you earn something when you don't have an audience? If you make a gummy bear (a kind of candy) and you don't have a consumer, you aren't going to earn anything. (Laughter) You'll have a bunch of gummy bears that you made and you can eat them until your teeth drop. (Laughter)

So what ever you do. At least I can have respect for something like that. That's important. It's important for people too. People care about those kind of things. Some people just need to grow up. How much is enough? (Hyo-Jin-nim is in tears.)

Anyway you have to love everybody right? You can't kill people! So you try. You try every day. Because it matters; those things matter to you. When you know that this is the essence of something; when you grow in it, it matters to you. It really does because you start to see something and that something is called value.

When you seat yourself in that, you'll start to learn something meaningful and that's true earning; because that will last with you till the day you die and after. (Hyo-Jin-nim is very emotional, in tears, and speaks haltingly.)

That's why even your burnt out soul can be reignited.

You don't need millions to do this. Even just one, one on one, a handful; that's more meaningful.

See you next week.

Indemnity

Hyo Jin Moon
November 26, 2006

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim’s speech Sunday 26 November 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/ and http://definingmoment.eu/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He places a small notebook on the podium)

Did you have a good Thanksgiving? (Last Thursday 23 November was Thanksgiving Day in the US)

It’s a turkey day right? I don’t know if it’s for purely being thankful. (Laughter)

When you talk about indemnity that’s kind of a heavy topic isn’t it? But should it be?

In the beginning God expected us to be something. He had a vision. He had the ultimate divine vision, the purpose of creation, and in that light we had a crucial role to play.

Just based on that reality alone, that’s something significant. That should be something that we should all celebrate, that possibility in itself. Whether it happened or whether it didn’t happen, whether we’re still struggling to make it happen, that’s an afterthought, because hindsight is always 20/20 right?

It gives us something to try to strive for, to achieve that ultimate, the vision of God. We all have that and we all dream that we’d like to see ourselves living in a world where there’s no wars and you can trust somebody even if you never met somebody in your life you just walk up and shake your hand and somehow that alone can have a lasting relationship.

Because even in a personal relationship, if you try to build or even contemplate about making a true relationship, an ideal relationship, it takes a lifetime. You can’t really say to yourself that I can know somebody just because I’ve been with them a few times. I see him do this. I see him do that. I see him in this extreme state; I saw him in the opposite extreme state. So therefore I can conclude that I know. But it’s not that simple. People can change and there’s all sorts of stuff in between that makes us unique.

So even when you try to understand an individual and try to accept the basic kind of religious teaching about an individual being idiosyncratic; that they’re unique, something special in the eyes of God, it takes a life time to really understand it.

Because if you don’t try to understand people based on that kind of common sense based thinking, it’s improper; the conclusion will be false. And you have to bear the responsibility in judgment. Because ultimately in the end what you are doing is a judgment. And that should be left up to God. We should try to understand what God has intended and then try to create an ideal world, in essence, before we try to be God.

Because if you don’t have the basic understanding as to why you are here and what we’re struggling to achieve in creating an ideal world there’s no point in trying to say that I’m great or whatever or whatever that makes you happy, because that happiness, it’s just centered on you. That greatness is just centered on you. That has nothing to do with God. It has nothing to do with anybody else.

So before we try to define ourselves, even though the most difficult kind of concept such as indemnity, and we have to try to understand why that is necessary for us to become what God intended to be.

Talk about indemnity. It’s like you’re compensating for some kind of stuff right? You cause some kind of loss and damage so you’re going to redeem yourself by making compensation. That is the concept so when you think about any kind of situation where a standard is set, and when that standard is breached what has to happen? Because you’re going down the path of conflict; to diminish it, what do you have to do?

You’ve got to do something. You’ve got to do something to make that conflict into zero. If you don’t do that you can’t rebuild, because indemnity is about rebuilding. It’s about recreating. It’s rebuilding, but the process in which you rebuild and you recreate; it has a standard which you have to earn. It’s not automatic. You have a specific responsibility within that kind of give-and-take relationship that you have to earn to complete that process. And because you haven’t done that properly, therefore you are going into a process of conflict.

You have to pay indemnity. You have to neutralize that. You have to make that into zero first to make it true, because there’s a standard. Ultimately my view or concept of indemnity… The important aspect that we have to achieve first is to have that understanding of earning your way to your expectation, or your expected position, especially in the divine relationship, the relationship between you and God.

Unless you address that clearly, and you do it on your own; you earn it, it doesn’t work. It’s a very important process that you have to understand through action, through your deeds. Earn it. Earn that title. That’s the natural way. That is the proper way. That is the Divine way. That is the way that will last and have a meaning after you pass away from this earth, because you don’t live here too long.

I try to tell my self … because it’s important if you want to have any kind of standard, if you don’t remind yourself, it doesn’t exist. It really doesn’t matter, what ever you say, what ever you do. It doesn’t matter, because you’ll never measure up to it, even to your own standard in the end.

When you look at this world, and let’s say this is on extreme and this is the opposite extreme. (Pointing to the opposite corners of the podium) There are takers and there are givers, and something in between. Takers will do anything and say anything to get what they want. For what purpose? You ask those takers. And there’s the opposite and what do you think normal people in general are? I hope you can make an easy model and just take a little sphere and based on the center here everybody just exists here and that’s the world; that’s the kind of bubble we exists in. (Hyo-Jin-nim makes a ball with his hands at the middle of the podium)

But do you really think that it is that the dividing line absolutely right down the center. I think the world is a little more to this side. (Hyo-Jin-nim positions his hands a little more to the (left) taker’s side of the podium) That’s the problem. You would hate to see a world living here (Taker’s side) right? It’s foolish to think it exists like this (Hands all the way to giver’s side). That’s kind of God’s stuff, a long way to go from reality. Would you imagine that it is potentially doable because that we’re the children of God?

So be it, but the reality is there. So how do you deal with people like that? How do you deal with people you can’t really communicate with? There are no words that can transform these people who are addicted to that lifestyle, who are absolutely absorbed into that lifestyle. That’s how they’re going to find their meaning. They aren’t going to change, until something happens.

And unfortunately the only way is can happen for those people to change is for them to hit bottom, loose everything. Crash and burn you know? What if that doesn’t happen in that person’s lifetime? It will pass on to the next generation. That’s the problem. That’s why even in the eyes of Father it will take generations to make that happen, potentially. Why? Because you have to go through that process. Unless you can somehow change that without allowing them to his the bottom, those people that you can’t verbally transform through normal ways of communication. They all have to go through that process, and if it doesn’t happen in their life time then it will pass down to their children, grand children… It will take time. That’s why it’s going to take time.

So how are you going to change something knowing that inevitably that is the only way to assure that changes will happen? What can we do about it? I know it’s difficult, but somebody’s got to do it. Some body has to do it if there’s another alternative. It’s a long shot. It’s very difficult, never-ending stuff. But if it’s a long shot, if there’s a possibility we have to do it and that’s what we have to do. And there’s no other way of communicating.

We have to try to communicate; try to find the best way, most effective way to the generation at hand at present who are movers and shakers in the world, who are elders, and our young people. And that line, that way of approach, let’s keep on trying. That’s the only way. Otherwise you just have to wait for the inevitability to take place. And that would be very unfortunate, because they won’t change until they hit bottom. I know this. They won’t.

It’s too important to them to have what they want. It’s unfortunate. It’s all about them, but that’s just the way it is, and that’s real. I’m not making this up, as you know; all of you understand what I’m saying; I know, but that’s reality. The only option that we have is to keep on trying to do what we believe in and try to make a better way of communication, find a better something… Use what’s out there to communicate and elaborate on it as much as we can.

Give more, more, more, more. It would be wonderful if we could constantly be in the presence of humanity. We could have 24 hour stuff (programming about our ideas) and compete with the big guys. Look at America for instance. When you look at Conservatism and Liberalism, to me Conservatism is about homogeneity, because it has a tradition mostly based on Christianity. There is a sense of a homogenous effect like in a homogenous society like Korea or Japan. It’s easier to unite because there is a kind of nationalism. For the sake of the national interest you put aside your regional conflicts or whatever.

You have a conflict in your own family too. I have a bunch of brothers and sisters. Trust me. (Laughter) You come from the same belly but you still struggle with each other. (Laughter) That’s reality.

In America conservatism is pretty much like that, because it’s kind of Christian based.

Liberals are like "We don’t want tradition, we want less tradition. Push the boundary! Push the boundary!"

"Hold the boundary! Hold the boundary! Push the boundary! Push the boundary!" It’s that kind of conflict. In America even when you deal with that kind of conservatives, as the Unification Church we have to compete with them, and with all sorts of Christian denominations, because they also want to do good too.

These days it is almost fashionable to talk about moral degradation and blaming Hollywood and stuff. It’s fashionable. And they are going to try to do something about it. As much as we do they will do. And how do you deal with that ultimately? You have to outlast them first of all.

So having a standard of something beyond change is good. Father stresses absolute value. That’s good. In what? In us, his blood lineage.

And all the good things that we can commonly share with the other religions who have good intent, we will do our best to support them because we need to support each other, but at the same time we are competing with them.

The extreme Moslems will outright say that conquer with violence, that’s crazy people. They all, in some way, want their religion to be the standard bearer, nicely put.

When it comes to indemnity I believe it is necessary for us to understand the true meaning of indemnity. Everything that we do even if we think that it’s promised by our faith, our discipline, we have to earn it because that’s the basic way that the decent people can communicate with each one another.

Decent people try not to take away from something, right? You don’t just take, take, take, take from this guy, take from that guy, take from your sister, take from your brother, and make yourself fat right? "Because only I have the answer stuff." There is only one Father in my house. You understand me?

You have to first realize that this is a church first before anything else. That’s why you don’t do certain things. You can’t do stupid stuff because of whatever crazy predicament you might run into. If you are systematically trying to do something with consciousness, you’d better be aware of who you are. Your church first before anything else. It’s a fair warning.

We’re asking for it. It’s not a difficult fight. I don’t even consider it a difficult conflict. It’s stupidity. Anyway…

You still here you guys? (Laughter)

Some times, to be honest with you, that’s my way of putting on a defense. I don’t want to be hurt.

Any way… I’m sorry about it. I didn’t mean it to come off that harsh. That’s my fault. It’s not yours.

Take care, OK!

Repentance

Hyo Jin Moon
November 19, 2006
Belevedere

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim’s speech Sunday 19 November 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/ and http://definingmoment.eu/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He places a small notebook on the podium.)

Good morning.

Some of you should have stayed home. (Laughter)

Do you want to be happy or do you want to be sad? (Happy)

I’m sorry, but my topic is repentance.

Penitence demands repentance right?

Do you like to see humble people or do you like to see arrogant people?

There are so many ways to see people these days because everybody wants to be somebody. They want to prove that they have something to offer, whether it’s for money, power, whatever in the secular setting. It takes a lifetime to prove.

Why? Perfection is given by God, not you. The ultimate judge is not you. When you even ponder the notion of individual perfection you’re only kidding your self if you don’t understand how things ultimately get judged.

Your parents force you to go to school and in the end the grade matters. It’s not you who dictate how you graduate with a certain grade that you think that you deserve. This system reflects the basic outcome of dying. That’s the basic premise that you have to accept. What you’re actually experiencing is a little taste of it.

You have no control over your perfection. That is the ultimate irony, because you can’t judge yourself to be perfect. It lasts forever. It doesn’t work like that. Basically you’re going through a certain conditioning process. It’s not easy to get good at anything.

I’m here to talk to my age group or above. That’s my forum here. It has nothing to do with what else I can do. Everything has a purpose. It’s very specific. You have to target it to the point in which it matters, to what you’re actually trying to accomplish in that specific event or scenario. If I see little kids I know I’m talking you your parents. I’m not going to talk to you. It’s not my focus. I can do that some other time, some other situation,

I am here trying to do what I think is appropriate, that I can best serve for the greater purpose.

You have a whole lot of time ahead of you. I hate to see a lot of young people here. I want to see a lot of old people here. (Laughter) I see young people when I go home.

You don’t have to change anything. You have to change what is real. Real is not always you. Real is what is real. That’s what we have to understand; real is always beyond you. That’s why God is a suffering God, because He has a concept that makes Him a slave for all sorts of whatever in terms of time.

Please do not think that everything revolves around you. Repentance is a very necessary tool for conscience because it keeps you motivated. It keeps you moving forward. It evolves you to find your perfection ultimately. Even that is not dictated by you. You don’t have absolute control over that end.

You will have to die first to have the finality of that. Do you understand me? That is absolute. No one is an exception. Ultimately it has to be represented, because the messiah is the representation.

How do you go about using the tool that we have? It’s a tool. Conscience, the device that makes of do something, that tries to make us better is a tool. It’s a blessing it’s a gift from God. A blessing is a tool that comes from God.

It’s something that will aid you and support you, to make you something better than you are. You have to know how to properly use that, because if you don’t, you’ll mess it up. You’ll loose the opportunity. You can’t blame it on anyone else. In the end it is your responsibility to correct what ever you have to correct, what ever you have to complete, what ever you have to perfect.

When you talk about the concept of perfection, it is all about your idiosyncrasies. "I’m somebody special!" Perfection is just about catering to that nonsense. "I’m special." Special in what? You must prove it in the end. You have to die for it. You have to prove it by dying, and in doing so you’ll prove your idiosyncratic unique greatness, however minute, however miserable it might be.

Trying to go beyond that and getting into grandiosity… Why do you want to do that?

Do you think that you can change the world without going through the basic process of things? I don’t think so. If you don’t understand what is basic, you can’t even find yourself. There’s no way you’re going to get a grade. That’s just the way it is.

Then what the hell are you dying for? That’s the problem. There is no one else that’s going to answer that question other than you, your individual self.

Why is repentance necessary? Because it keeps you busy, because lazy people get corrupted.

When people get rich… When politicians seek office because they believe their ideals are better than the other guy, they imagine that if I just get power I will change the world. The problem is that when you have an environment that is susceptible to all sorts of stuff that is not right for individual growth in this rich country that is more privileged than other countries. You’re going to have problems when things start to come easier and easier for you. Obviously you’re going to get corrupted. Why? You have less time to repent and repentance at least keeps you busy.

You try to be responsible for your own good, whatever you did, and screw everybody else. "I did this and I’m responsible!" Repentance is a tool of conscience; through the evolving process that hopefully can give you that completion that you desire. If you hold on to it maybe you have a chance, but if you let it go you have no chance.

Right or wrong, in the end you have to stand, because God will judge you. Even Sun-Myung Moon will be judged by God. My Father, the Messiah will be judged by God. Absolutely!

I believe that. That’s how I’ve learnt. That’s how I accept. There is no exception to the rule. If anybody says otherwise… you have to look at the monkey and see where the tail lies and step on it. If you do something wrong you are going to suffer one way or the other. It doesn’t matter how you excuse your self. If you’re man enough you wouldn’t.

Everybody can be broken. In a war situation when someone is a torturer, they’re the one who has the self-righteousness on their side. They are the one who is greater and superior. That’s what gives them the right to torture their enemy prisoners to make them repent for their sins against you.

Everybody can be broken. What does that prove in war? Nothing.

Let’s talk about historical indemnity. Let’s say that you went through that torture for the sake of humanity, for your lineage. Make it true to that. Don’t say anymore beyond that. Let it go. You move on and think about your self from now on, because nobody is going to take care of you. You have to take care of your self and each other, if we have a community; if we’re building one.

I would like to see all sorts of… I don’t want to see just yellow faces in my family…

I don’t intend to be something more than what I am. That is the essence of people like me. That means a lot. I don’t care what people say. I make my own decisions.

What’s important is what is good, what is basic, that can ultimately bring the idealism regardless of who we are. That’s the most important thing.

You think you can make a living, yes, but what if everything collapses? If you have a lazy mind it will be absolutely corrupt. And you have an environment that caters to that kind of reality then it will pretty much wipe out the young generation. We can change it. We can make a difference.

Define what you get beyond your self. Try; keep on trying until you see the light in your own way. I don’t care how long it takes. I hope you make it before you die. I can’t help you beyond that. If you don’t take care of your residual stuff it will get passed down and somebody else will bear the greater burden. That’s just the way it is.

What if an asteroid the size of Jupiter comes from outside our solar system and you get vaporized? You want to know the truth, start with your self.

Everybody has the voice to be heard, but don’t kid yourself. Do something before you die. And you will die. You will die of disease, accident, suicide, or natural cause. You will die. Even if you live to your fullest, how long do you think you will live? Do you know how you’re going to be judged? Are you working on your grade? Do you really know what you’re going to be graded upon? Be real, alright.

Do you think people want to be a prostitute? Do you think people want to be a junkie? Do you think people want to be a criminal? Do you think people want to be a con-artist? No, but they do for all sorts of reason.

So there is no body like that among the young people in this room, so at least that is a pride you can point out. You have to be real. Balance your reality, your physical self, your mind status, and your physical awareness. If you have a family situation where you can exchange with your folks, by all means take that opportunity, because you’re lucky if you can have that. I don’t think that there is any parents if they have the ideal scenario that would let that kind of opportunity go to waste.

(From now until the end of the speech, Hyo-Jin-nim was very emotional and often in tears. There were several long emotional pauses)

Please be aware of your situation. Please be aware of your reality. Know what it offers. Always measure your self. If you want to grow have to have balance so you have to know the extremes. As you grow the extremes will only get bigger. It will constantly expand; you have to grow into it. The stupid thing about arrogance is that you think when you reach some kind of level that you’re in control. You have some kind of sick sense of superiority. It doesn’t work like that.

If you want to be something then you have to constantly… That’s why children’s concept of reality is dominated by all these role models that they can make a lot of money and they can get their presents and get their fix. That’s where the titillation factor is, at the edge.

You have to get into things to a certain point to appreciate them. If you just use music as a kind of sonic background for a party, that’s actually defeating the property of music itself. You have a different agenda other than music.

Before we talk to our kids we have to question ourselves as parents. You have to be responsible. Yeah I did wrong. No excuses. Did I love my kids? I’d be in hell for them. It’s easy when I take all the responsibility, blame. I’ll pay for it until they come back.

So in America I have a different kind of justice because I’m Reverend Moon’s son. That’s absolutely unique. Anyway God will judge. Please, please, please.

You don’t know me that well. Since you’re in this room and I see a response, I’m just reacting. I react to things to a point. Today just happens to be one of those days. It’s OK. I’m just responding to you. You have to be willing to go a long ways through all sorts of difficult crap and suffering. You can’t get away that easy.

All I’m here for is for sharing. I’ll do what I do.

Homogeneity is about the closest thing we have to monarchy, because there is no such thing as a pure monarchy in today’s political situation. Conservatism is a little closer than liberalism. America’s standing id very young. Liberalism is the opposite because it’s an adversarial system. The point is that is something tries to hold on to boundaries, and then something else will try to do away with boundaries. That’s the problem. That’s what we have to deal with. That’s the kind of work that has to be done in Democratic free society, especially in a developed nation.

That’s why repentance is very important. You have to make sure that the politicians don’t get lazy. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a democrat or Republican. In homogenous countries like Korea and Japan there are many political parties, but if you screw up you pay. Everybody is after you. Why? Because it is a homogenous society.

When you are dealing with all sorts of different races and cultures, it is very difficult. That’s why certain basic principles are very important. We have to master those. We have to project those. We have to make that better, not just in terms of presentation, but in reality.

You can’t make a living with just words. It’s body mind and spirit. You are going to be judged one day. I believe in God. I might not believe in you or I might not believe in anything else; I might not even believe in me, but I believe in God.

Some time I don’t know how I’m going to do what I have to do, where I have to start. I just have to figure it out. That’s how I start. Nonetheless in the end you have to prove it. If you expect things to be easy and you expect the best then you will be corrupted; you don’t know your own limitations. You think of awesome things and expect the best in every way; I’m American crap and in the end it all comes crashing down.

If you want something to last, you’d better know what you’re asking for. Isn’t that obvious even when you buy a used car don’t you want to ask basic questions and have knowledge before going ahead with the purchase?

I’m just talking about secular things, but if you think about ideal things then you’d better understand the basic things because the basic things are important. That’s reality.

How much you want to do is up to you. You can always enjoy the security of your boundaries. Boundaries are secure. If you can protect your boundaries you have security. If you try to expand them you’re asking for trouble. There’s risk involved, uncertainty. But how far are you willing to go, in what way, for what reason. Because every time you skip a generation you go into that basic premise.

You need to question your self. I know that’s the way; I know that is reality, but how far are the people on top willing to go? If you want to do something there is a basic principle. Just ask yourself "Am I willing to die for this?" It’s nobody else’s business but mine.

That’s always why I ask you to think about dying. Living is easy because you’re already breathing. You’re living right now. It’s easy for you. Dying is important. Dying is harder, reaching perfection is much more hard. Living, you just take for granted just sitting there and you breathe and eat and think what you want because you are allowed at this point in time. You get comfortable with this and the same thing happens and you want to take it to the next level and the next level and the next level. What level are we talking about?

You can say that New Yorkers are jaded and sophisticated but they aren’t going to change the world. They live in the Capital of Capitalism; in the end nobody takes them seriously. They aren’t going to change the world. It’s just about them.

Familiarity gives you some kind of confidence, but you have to understand that confidence can be a double edged sword. In what way are you confident?

Anyway, OK. So I need to repent. There’s always room to repent. I need to repent because I didn’t intend to be like this today.

For what ever its worth if this helps you, nobody is ever going to do this to you again, maybe your mommy or something. Let’s just be happy because I believe that it’s doable. I do. I do. It is doable. We just have to do it step-by-step. We’ve just got to in reality. We have to have it in reality. We need it in reality. We need more of it.

Hey! It’s not too late right? You don’t want to think it’s to late right?

Do you want this to go on?

Do you want me to come every Sunday?

How Long? Give me the days.

How long do you see that being?

You give me a time and I’ll do it. What ever.

How long? That’s what I’m asking.

(One sister says "forever") (Laughter)

I’ll be here as long as you need me.

If you don’t need me just tell me so and I’ll disappear. I’ll be more than happy to disappear.

Take care of yourselves OK.

Success

Hyo Jin Moon
November 12, 2006

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim’s speech Sunday 12 November 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/ and http://definingmoment.eu/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He places a small notebook on the podium.)

Hello.

We all want to be successful, right?

Let’s talk about success.

What is success? What do you consider success?

In America especially there are a lot of kids who graduate from Ivy League schools; by mid-twenties or late twenties a lot of people become millionaires. When you make a lot of money it does give you a lot of opportunity to move into things and do things that you want to do.

In the end success is defined by individuals. It is true because it connotes something that has to do with one’s career. Is success just based on your career? A career doesn’t have to last until the day you die; you can retire I guess. What’s today’s average retirement age, sixty? It used to be sixty-five but it’s going down right? Now it’s going back up again, but anyway something like that.

I guess the way that we should look at success; it should be about a lifetime. It’s one’s lifetime and you should define it as such, because the way that we look at Father is basically that. He’s a successful teacher. He’s a successful father of mankind, and because of His lifetime work we define His example as something to be revered. That’s what we’re trying to do; to commit our life to follow that kind of exemplary life. And He’s still moving on right? He didn’t retire yet. I don’t think He’s going to retire till the day He ascends to Heaven, that He dies.

So when I look at my Family model pretty much that’s how you define success in my family. I don’t know about other people, but it’s because of family tradition that’s what I have to accept. I could make my own definition of success. I could define it in my own way just like everybody else in a free society. But because of what I choose to accept that’s pretty much what defines success in my family. If you can’t do that, if you don’t have something that’s within you that you can make that kind of commitment you have the definition of success then you have no goal.

You feel Father is rich and owns a lot of land. "Oh if I acquire this land and that land this property and put it together I’ll have a billion dollar company." You can think like that statistically. You can think like that as if that is your right. But nobody in the world will recognize that as success. What success? That’s just privilege gone bad. That would be the reality. You can certainly do that….

If I do pray, and I rarely do, but if I do pray, I pray that "Father, you had a great start! I want your ending to be great as well." That’s what I want to see happen to Him. I want that to be the legacy. I don’t want anything to be changed as far as that is concerned. In order to do that, even in my own family, you really have to understand your Father’s course. It’s not that simple trying to care for other people. That’s a very difficult thing and making people believe as a generation goes forward, making that connection is very difficult. Even my father is having a hard time achieving that. That’s the reality. It’s not that simple.

And how do you even connect to your own generation. Where is your input? Where is your sacrifice? Do you sacrifice truly for the sake of belief or do you show sacrifice for the sake of show? What is it?

Then we should have politicians come and preach all the time in churches all around the world. Even in the secular world they try to distinguish between politicians and preachers right? Of course they both screw up all the time, but still there’s a distinction. One has to do with governing a society and one has to do with governing the hearts and minds of people, the soul of human kind. One is about the physicality more so and the other is about spirituality, right? That’s the basic difference.

And there’s this institution called education that tries to govern, tries to manage the mind of people, the intelligence of people.

I define success as people who give their lives to God. Wow! That is the ultimate success. There are many degrees of success. People see success in all sorts of ways, BUT THAT’S HOW I SEE IT! And how do I have to go about evaluating that success? How do I give my life to God? How does one give one’s life to God? Where does it start from?

Maybe you’re lucky if you just get zapped with the Holy Spirit. (Laughter) "I’ve changed. I just want to dedicate my life to God from now on." You’re lucky, but most people don’t. They do through all sorts of individual situations to make that determination. A lot of people do out of desperation as well. They’ve got no where else to turn so "I’ve got nothing so what the hell do I have to loose by turning my life over to God? Let him take care of my miserable situation." You can do that.

Most of you made choices, or are trying to make choices in that way because I see some young people here. People that are at my age and above you have no choice. That’s how you made it OK? (Laughter) That is how you’re going to die.

If you can do one thing by yourself and if you have groups of people who can work together for the sake of each other just following all the basic principles of goodness, I think we should try to encompass that first before you try to TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, talking about messiah stuff, that we’re a better religion than yours stuff. I think that’s the first step. We should try to do that and help each other physically then on a larger scale then we can afford to take care of each other intellectually and expand the mind and then ultimately it’s up to you to connect to your spirit.

It takes that kind of formative essence. You need that kind of basic foundation to achieve that kind of spiritual connection, I believe. And that we lack! Its like "every man for himself, go figure it out on your own" We have all been through a work shop and it’s very limited. You cycle forty days three times for 120 days. What is that? And somehow you can go out and change the world? Well you try. And you try to move up the church ladder. What happens? The same bureaucracy, so what’s the difference between them and us? Nothing, I don’t see anything different.

That’s a problem. What can we do? Can we do something about this situation? I think so. It’s important to empower individuals within the church. You have to give more and more information that is critical in doing our work. Because sharing that information in a more easily acceptable way, more efficient, more effective ways. Let them familiarize with that stuff because familiarity breeds confidence. When one gets confident, that’s something. It gives willingness to commit to action. That changes people. Having just basic information about the essence of principle, but this is society and society is different than the essence of principle. You have gone down like this (gesturing to the focal point at the bottom of a V shape) but now you have to go back up.

You might have found the focal point, that’s all the workshop does, try to give you a focal point, and this is how Father connects to God…  That’s it! That’s where it ends! Now you’re going to go out there and conquer the world? Now you’re going to go out and build the kingdom by yourself? Give me a break! That’s unreal. Why are you not doing more of that kind of stuff? You have to start somewhere. That’s what we can do.

I found another host if you want more of it it’s called http://definingmoment.eu/ to focus more on the European nations. I also found another Spanish speaking host.

We have to get to know Europeans; we have to get to know Hispanics; we have to get to how they think in all sorts of different religions, about their culture, about them selves. The more we know the better. If you have that information it will give you confidence. That power will generate you into an active person. I believe that. We won’t stop at that. We’ll branch out into giving more advice on pragmatic things, finances or whatever.

We can do that, get that kind of network moving and working, invite hosts, all sorts of guests, and get that critical, useful, practical information and just delegate it to you all. That’s what the church should be doing.

Father’s course is more of overall and centering on Him and we are bound by that tradition, but after it we have to be independent. Father’s course is a very dependent course, a course of dependency. It has to be. But the next phase is a more independent phase. We have to realize our greatness centering on Father’s vision and let that proliferate out into the world and make a difference.

Yes we need body; we need an organization, sure I understand that concept, but it will go toward that direction unlike the structure and organization during Father’s lifetime. We’re not going to make a dependent structure; It’s going to be more independent, but in what way? Bearing the heart and spirit of Father’s teaching.

Not just "You do this and that! I’m in control!" Those idiots! You walk around shit not because you’re afraid of it, but because you don’t want to get your shoes dirty. Those people make me sick. Hey, it’s not my problem right?

You have to love, you can’t kill people. (Laughter)

Anyway… wouldn’t you like to see that happen? (Yes).

I believe that we can literally see change. I believe that we can literally see our progress if that is the basic reality in this church. If we take care of that basic stuff we can literally see our own progress. Collectively of course you will see more. That’s how you compete with other religions. If you don’t have something to show you can’t win. You can win by bluffing. What if they will fight you? You got to have what it takes to take the blows. Otherwise it is only a bluff.

That is what we need to do. I think we should encourage that kind of stuff, and open up to each other.

I can’t be here at the last Sunday (of this year) because I have to say hello to my folks, but after this there about six more left. My condition's done.

You like what we got here? (Yes)

You want me to show up for one more year? (YES!)

We’ll talk about it later. (Laughter)

I know that’s doable. I can see it in this very small kind of model.

But it will work. It will work.

I believe in it with all my heart.

It’s not just coming from me. It’s coming from somewhere else too.

I believe it.

So, I think your success is how you define it, not just with your body or with your head, but with everything that you’ve got. Right?

See you next week.

Tradition

Hyo Jin Moon
November 5, 2006

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim’s speech Sunday 05 November 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see one of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC.

All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.)

How are you doing? Today’s topic is tradition. We talk about tradition. We all have it right? Regardless of who you are, we all have it. We inherited something from somewhere; we belonged to something prior to coming here. Everybody has tradition. To people in general, tradition is important because it deals with survivability. Time ticks forward in the timeline of history. In order to be something, in order to have something, in order to hold on to something, secure something you need to have tradition.

The value of tradition is about that; it is about securing something. It's about prolonging something, defining something, setting some kind of standard that will define you beyond your existence. That’s what tradition is. That’s why it’s important to a lot of people.

Even on a nationalistic fervor it goes to the tradition itself to promote that kind of encouragement or that kind of fervor. You can get galvanized because people can excite you; you can get stimulated because you think you’re part of something great, not just based on survival, but it has to have something…

Just like everybody else in a free democratic society, you want to be something special. It has to have that kind of essence in the end. That defined essence, if that is true, should stand the test of time. It should go on and on and on as long as we procreate, as long as we survive on this planet. That’s why people think tradition is important; because there is a sense of joy in knowing right? Yes, when you define joy, it always has to define a certain understanding, a clear understanding, the more clear the better, then the depth of joy will become greater.

How can we position ourselves or present ourselves to the world in terms of tradition that we want to be part of. That’s the question everybody asks. If they think they belong to something then that’s what we’re competing with. Everybody out there who believes in God or who believes in a higher power… It might not be a monotheistic value; it might be polytheistic. But still they have their own tradition that they want to present to the world and compete. It’s a never ending struggle. Why? Because I think there’s only one God, at least that what I have chosen to believe for the rest of my life. That’s the challenge. That’s where you start. You have to ask your self; how do I fit into this tradition. In what way can I be the best that I can be to represent the tradition?

How many people here clearly can say that I know my absolute true value; I know what give me absolute joy till the day that I die? Why, because joy comes from knowing. Divine joy comes from knowing the divine truth and it starts from you. Do I really understand my divine truth about myself? How do I fit in if I do? What can I do in knowing who I am? The divine truth, how does it configure into the greater picture of creating an ideal world? Everybody, idiosyncratic as they may be, has something that is divine, that is unique to you. You must find that and you must some how figure out how you can fit it into the greater picture. Achieving that is very difficult. It is easy said, but doing that is very difficult. Why, because if you just based on the concept of order, even in a free society like America you have… I guess it’s kind of healthy to a point… this doubt.

Remember, America allows religious freedom. At the same time it separates religion and the state. The state is pretty much secular. Why, just to be fair. That’s the basic premise, the basic fundamental argument because historically speaking religion hasn’t been that much a kind of model institution. The cliché people say is "absolute power absolutely corrupts." Because of that, because of their distain of the founding fathers of America towards the British, their church decided this American system of government.

This is what’s being very attractive more and more to the world when more and more people are starting to empower themselves, and with their empowerment making something, making positions on their own, making definition, defining them selves on their own on the world stage.

It’s becoming more and more easy because of... One thing about today’s world that is different is that in the past it was very difficult to understand the omnipresence of God. In today’s world ubiquity, a lesser word of omnipresence is doable. The internet: You can literally transcend time and space. It doesn’t matter who you are. If you have something to say you can literally use technology as we know it; you can be in one place and all around the world at the same time. That’s the difference. That’s why it’s not going to be that easy to force upon people just by saying that this is the right way, that this is the right tradition. You really have to literally go by the principle. You can’t just have it by faith; you have to have substance. You really need more substance than ever.

If things are complete in terms if restoration conditional sense wise. If that era is over, the new era is not going to be automatic; by nature it’s going to be more substantial in terms of delivery of the idealism. You really have to be careful what you promise. If you don’t deliver it, you can’t stop people from talking to each other on a global scale at light speed.

When you deal with tradition, what is the essence? What is the essence that brings things into focus toward what is good in us? We know that centering on God that we’d believe, if we have to compete, you have to know your game in any competition. In science class get those facts correctly, not history right? You have to know what class you belong to. You have to clarify your category. You have to clearly define what you’re doing and what kind of class that you’re dealing with as a people. Other wise it’s nonsense. It won’t work! Why? It’s obvious.

If you walk down a New York City street it really kind of boggles your mind if you actually think about "how the hell do I change that guy?" Every guy, every head you turn… where do you start?

It might be easy if you just came out of jail. You are walking where you want to walk. You don’t walk where other people tell you to walk. You want to walk the line that you want to and so does everybody else in the free world. How do you achieve a tradition?

What’s good in religion? Let’s talk about what’s good in religion. I don’t care what kind of religion, what’s a good teaching that everybody can agree with? Everybody wants to be special. People want to be the messiah. I don’t think that they would want to be the messiah if they really understood how difficult that is.

At least we have to be sure that everything that we do in general is generally good. At least you have to back it up with your body, your mind, and your spirit and you stand alone in judgment for that if you’re in charge, if you’re responsible. That’s where it should start.

In the basic fundamental stuff, if your children go bad then in the end then you’re responsible for your children. That kind of sense of social morality, you have to start with that. You have to be comfortable with that. We have to be sure. If you do have something; if you do represent something the basic fundamental question that you have to face is you’re on your own and you’ll not blame anybody else. You’ll not just shed the tears of forgiveness and beg like a wretched wimp.

You want to go higher? OK that’s up to you, up to those people. That’s the way it should be. Life is short. You have to make those things matter. You have to feel that that matters. That’s the only way. In the end it comes to that. The determination has to fit the desire and the dream. Otherwise you’re only kidding your self.

It shouldn’t be that easy; a thing that great shouldn’t be that easy, something that awesome, that never-been-done stuff shouldn’t be that easy. If you believe that nonsense well you know how it’s going to end.

When you talk about individual people, "this is a rule in my house!" Well OK; if you have a house. Start with that, some kind of little kingdom. What kind of standard do you have there? And grow. As it becomes bigger it will become difficult. Unless you want something as you see it today to exist forever, you want to make changes. You seriously have to think about how things work.

In America next Tuesday (Nov 7th 2006) is Election Day. They are constantly accusing each other of this and that and playing the political game mostly by trying to degrade each other. Wouldn’t it be nice if they could find something in common for a change and actually gave credit to each other? The best man win stuff even if it’s an adversarial two-party system just for the sake of checks-and-balance so be it. Wouldn’t that be a little different? Maybe people would actually look forward that stuff.

That’s the (situation in the) greatest nation on this planet. That’s reality. The funny thing is all this stuff the freedom because the government itself has to be secular for the sake of diversity of religion, and protection of it. It allows all sorts of crap as long as long as you say "well I didn’t force that guy to do it. It’s his volition her volition. In the end its up to them. I didn’t put a gun to their head to make them do things. I didn’t hurt anybody immediately." You can pretty much get away with a lot of stuff that hurts many, many young people.

The government needs to separate from religious values in order to preserve this system which makes America unique separating from religion in order to give freedom to religion.

There are certain perks to religion, like you don’t have to pay taxes. There are a lot of things to use as an excuse to justify the way things are. Mostly the justification comes from historical failures of mankind. It has nothing to do with futuristic stuff.

This is based on the past (experience) that we can’t trust people in the future or present. Based on that kind of logic this will pretty much stay the way it is unless a dramatic change will happen like a catastrophe or some earthquake and Manhattan sinks into the sea or something, like some alien UFO lands on the White House lawn and says we’re going to zap your ass and says listen to this and don’t listen to that. Unless that kind of stuff happens… It’s not going to happen, not any time soon. Unfortunately that’s the case.

They have analyzed all the possible market place, and in America just teenagers spend about forty billion dollars a years on crap. It's just escalating every year in terms of the amount of cash that they spend. It’s ridiculous. It’s a vicious cycle that feeds itself. That’s reality. I’m not making this up.

You have to start (to make change) some where, positive re-enforcement, basic understanding in dealing with human relationships. Knowing about who we are, knowing about other religions, other people who are socially active trying to do some good in society. All those things are a useful kind of information. You have to start somewhere and that’s where you start.

Its better that your children know about those things than you do because that’s the proper way of growth. That’s what’s ideal. People in the past people might have suffered, (because they) might not have had all the tools that your children can have. But if they (your children) do that’s called progress right?

You don’t always have to make them suffer to make progress. Progress can just happen just by knowing. Knowing who you are and knowing who others are more clearly than you. They can have a better chance than you out there. Isn’t that the whole point? Why do you suffer? Why do you sacrifice? What’s the meaning of sacrifice? It’s not a sacrifice if it doesn’t surmount to that. It’s just words. I’d rather co to a comedy show and get a good laugh than just to hear a bunch of stupid words.

If children can see that, they wouldn’t struggle. I’ll believe that. That’s a good father’s way. There is no other way of being a good father. He has to love everyone. So be it. I know what the essence of a good father’s love is. That’s what we have to practice in general in our reality based on our responsibility and our capability. I want to do so. Do it! That’s the kind of stuff, that’s the only way to start the change. We have to start our changing environment even starting with your individual self. You will change if you try to do that. You have to because you want to win? I want to complete this stuff. I don’t want to give up. If I say it I want to do it. For what ever reason even if you just don’t want to be a failure. If you’re that primitive then start with that! You have to start somewhere.

Not everybody that’s (motivation is) love.

Anyway, take care of your selves you guys.

I’ll see you next week.

Joy

Hyo Jin Moon
October 29, 2006
Belvedere
Notes: Joseph Kinney

My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim’s website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see one of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage. He brings a small note book and places it on the podium)

Good Morning. How are you feeling today? Are you happy? (Laughter) Let’s share about joy. When do we feel joyful, happy? May I ask you a question? When do you feel happy? Anybody want to share their answer with us? (Several audience members responded over the next several minutes. There were answers from spiritual and philosophical to very physical and a lot of laughter)

We could go on and on like this, but there is a theme in anything that we do in life, because it’s all about lessons, about knowing something. Knowing something gives you that joy; nothing else.

It’s up to you; you prefer a certain perspective in a moment in time. If you try to look at the reality of a die, that has six sides or six perspectives to it. In order to understand just the dice reality, you have to know those six perspectives.

Let’s say there’s more, a sphere and every perspective is the size of a pin head. Just to create a sphere the size of a marble you will have hundreds of perspectives. When you consider a perspective the size of a pin head, that’s reality; that’s where you start.

Knowing gives you joy. Oh I got a raise; I got promoted. It’s that thing that gives you the recognition from others. You don’t live alone and there is some counterpart in terms of your relationships whether it is divine or horizontal; it doesn’t matter. That knowing that somebody thinks I’m worth something that gives you joy. I got more money so I can buy what ever I want; I got a position that I think I deserve, because someone appreciates you.

Joy comes from knowing that.

Joy is knowing what God intended, religiously speaking, about your true self, because its only when you’re true to yourself, that you can truly understand who you are, that you can truly be joy-full. You don’t need anything else. That alone will suffice. And you can grow from there.

The way, the speed, the manner, the quality, in which you grow is up to you. It all starts from that because it is all about fulfilling the will of God. What is the will of God, creating an ideal world. How big, how much, it doesn’t matter.

Father has many children. I don’t think everyone of them wants to be elder son. I don’t think that’s proper. It would be absolutely chaotic if that happens. I don’t think everybody wants to be the younger son either. Even that won’t happen because you belong to something and if you do, you do as who you are, not somebody else.

In the beginning Father was accused of all sorts of things. People came because they wanted truth and they were getting fire. They were getting a spiritual experience physically. During that time the wife of the president of Korea was an American citizen, Maria Park. She was a devout Christian that accused us of all sorts of things because a lot of things were happening at that time. Young people from the highest educational institutions were joining in droves.

They accused Father of doing all sorts of crazy things like putting an electrical blanket on the floor to make people think they felt fire. There were a lot of spiritual people joining too, all sorts of crazy people. Some of it was legitimate. How can you know about spirit? Do you know about spirit? You can’t really say. Some people (‘s spiritual experiences) might be legitimate. The final test is the test of time.

There was physical stuff that was alluring; there was spiritual stuff that was alluring, but the most important thing is that the bulk of Father’s ministry is about intelligence.

When He goes back to finalize His own mission, His personal mission, whether he goes through spirit world or using his palace, of course there’s a physical ministry ... How may people (here) come from the former Soviet Union? (Several young people raise their hands.) I know that you guys come from that area. You need those kinds of places, those great halls to do politics right; to play a role in society right? Not just in this society, global society. Those kinds of things, that’s His course.

Put that aside. Let’s talk about us. That’s not really important to us. That’s what He has to do. What’s important to us is how we understand, how we adapt and adjust and make our mark in the scheme of things in this providence, in this dispensation in the way He sees it.

Let’s pull back and talk about joy. How do we feel joy? Let’s talk about sex. It’s about the consummation of procreation. When that moment happens the intellect rises up to the spirit. You feel something that is real and from that you recognize something, because it’s real you’re knowing something; you’re recognizing something, something that was meant to be. That gives you joy. You can translate it cheaply into just physical pleasure, but it’s more than that because you are more than just a body. It’s about knowing your true identity, all about your self, everything that is about your self. In the end you have to know about the intent of God. Knowing that is knowing truly how you’re designed. Without knowing your design you can never be happy. Let’s talk about dying. To me it’s just something natural. You don’t want to make too much fuss about it. You came from something and you’re going back to something. You think dying is bad? You came from something and you’re going back to something. That’s it. If you know this dying doesn’t look that bad.

Time seems to go by so fast, but what if it never ends? Time will fly, it will go. Time won’t exist, but it never ends. You’re part of that. Knowing that is something. Why should we fear the eternal time, time that never ends? You fear it because to us this life is important. There are many ways to die, natural causes; you can die of disease, die of accident, die of murder, and by suicide. Natural is the best way.

You will die. That’s inevitable. You want to live an eternal life, that you have to know about an eternal life, and if there’s a process about which you learn about yourself dying, that that’s the process you will inevitably, whether you like it or not, because you will die.

What’s the purpose of putting you through that kind of process? To accept the eternal life that never ends. Time moves forward but it never ends. Yes there are struggles in life those peaks and valleys but can you handle it? That’s how we struggle practically speaking.

What’s the point? Why do you have to face dying? Think about a situation. What will be the thing that you would feel OK about dying? When you think you know something. Think about that. Little kids become soldiers that defend their country. What kind of knowing keeps them going out knowing that they might not come back from their mission each day? They keep doing it because it is their duty. How does that work? What is that knowing? Do you have that kind of knowing as if you are a kid going into war? That kid might not be as dumb as you. He might be smarter than you, but he’s willing to do that. What does he know that I don’t know?

What do you know? What do you know about dying? If you want to be truly happy you have to know. Know what; what you are dying for. Dying is the ultimate way to discover why you were born. Only you know why. People die for all sorts of reasons, even patriotic. They do it because they know what birth is all about. That’s how they think. That’s who they are. They connect them selves from birth to death. That gives them that kind of defining answer, that knowing, that they feel who is me. Nothing else matters.

What is that? Only you know who the best you is. Only you know the true nature of your spirit, your mind, and your body. Yes there can be some kind of standard, but it doesn’t matter if you have a standard of measurement. In the end its how you think that matters. What good is a law if no one is willing to accept it, if you have a government where you make laws superficially but everything else is corrupt? That country will pay for that. What good is a law when we the citizens don’t understand the true meaning of it?

It’s of no use. It will not work. When one man dies, like Father dies, everything will crumble. There is no guarantee. The only guarantee is what we’re willing to die for. If we have more of that we can change the world, because we know clearly who we’re dealing with. Knowing is joy. Knowing increases our vulnerability and therefore increases our survivability. Let us survive as a unit then we’d better know that we’re dying for.

I hope everybody in the picture feels the same way. Other wise we’re not different than anybody else as an organization. You have to get some basic things right or otherwise we’re no different.

What can we show that we’re better at? We know how to squeeze money out of people, especially the Japanese. I don’t think that’s something we can be so proud of in comparison with other religions. I know they are guilt ridden because they did a lot of bad things, but that is in the past. We want to move forward OK. The only people that seem to like me are Japanese. (Laughter)

There a lot of things that we can appreciate, that can give us joy. It doesn’t always have to be big. It can also be the opposite. Find the meaning in life. Tweak yourself. Find what makes you feel joy in as truthful way as possible. Don’t put stupid thoughts in your head that it always has to be big. If small things give you that sense (of joy), that’s the stuff that is tailor made for you. That’s what’s necessary for you in the moment in time. That’s what you need to focus on.

Always try to think in (terms of) duality. That will give you some sense of stability. It’s very important when you try to go forward to have that sense of stability that you’re going in the right direction for you that might be the way. There are myriads of ways. Just look at it as a spectrum, night and day, that kind of spectrum, big and small, high and low, whatever. Max it out! Put it into the context of extreme. Wherever you understand the sense of joy, that’s where it should start. Discover yourself.

I’m not asking you to do crazy stupid things. Don’t take my words as an excuse to do all sorts of crazy stuff OK?

As a church we need to give more information out. We can easily access knowledge, not just about what Father is doing. I don’t always need to know exactly what Father is doing, because I know that He will do his course.

Individually we should try to make a difference. If you’re not doing that, shame on you. There is no other way. Otherwise what is right and what is wrong?

It’s difficult to admit that you’re wrong. It’s difficult to be punished. My joy will be to know that Shin-Gil has found his place and that he is OK and moving forward. That will give me joy, personally speaking. I could care less about the rest. Why? Because I’m a human being and I need to grow. I need joy. I need to know.

Did you see the "Extreme Makeover on TV?" ABC realized that the cable channels home improvement stuff is gaining momentum so they have "Extreme Home Makeover." People see their house and get excited. I suppose that’s joy too. Some people cry their eyeballs out when they win the lottery. That knowing right; ah, I got a nice house; I got a big bank account. Knowing it gives you joy.

What do you want to know? That’s the question. You should ask yourself that every day. I wake up every morning and ask "What am I dying for?" It’s important. If you don’t do it nobody is going to do it for you. Certain things you just have to do for yourself. You sit on the toilet you clean your own butt. Some things you just have to take care of yourself.

Something that is that important you consider it like cleaning your butt after you go to the bathroom. You can’t ask someone to clean it for you.

How ever you chop it up between body, mind and spirit you have to measure it according to your self. Make sure that you have the standard "When I go to the toilet I clean my own butt."

Like cleaning my own butt, only I am responsible for knowing exactly what I’m doing. I’m not going to blame anybody. If you see somebody with a dirty butt, that’s their problem, nobody else has to clean it up for them.

"It’s your problem. It’s nobody else’s problem… and then you die." (Laughter) It’s not that bad. You’re going to a place where you will actually feel the time, but it never ends.

One more point. In this life time nothing is forever is automatic. There is manual labor involved OK? So you have to find the joy. I don’t know your name. I don’t know your idiosyncratic stuff. You’ve got to find it.

OK?

Take care.

See you next week.

Building the Kingdom of Heaven

Hyo Jin Moon
October 22, 2006 7:00am
Belvedere

Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim's speech Sunday 22 October 2006. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record.

Hyo-Jin-nim's website is: http://www.canaanstation.com/ To see one of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: http://definingmoment.tv/

Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and Yeon-Ah-nim and offer a bow.

(Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.)

Good Morning.

I don't see many … I guess the parents didn't bring the kids today.

The topic is Building the Kingdom of Heaven.

If I have children (present here) I can ask some questions. Do you have rules at home, house rules?

That's where it starts when it comes to having anything. That's where civility starts, right or wrong it starts from home.

You should ask your children. The best way to understand the family situation is the children a general question about what is right and what is wrong.

If somebody doesn't know you they can take that and they can run with that till the end because that's how serious the family situation is.

In a difficult world where we have to deal with many other issues in an other-than-ideal setting. If it was ideal obviously you could literally understand the status of a family by asking questions to the children about what is right and what is wrong. You get a better answer, a more truthful answer, a more direct answer, not contrived answer, than from asking you.

So even on a family level you have stuff that governs your household and your house county, State, then Federal in America. Most countries stop at State; The Europeans are trying to federalize them selves because of competition with America which is the greatest nation on earth in terms of power and wealth.

We're a church. Our foundation is built upon Christianity. I did a video in the early '90s about "a portrait of Jesus." Still to this day Koreans carry this portrait of a blond haired, blue eyed Jesus. Europe carries the tradition of Christianity and has propagated it throughout the world, and takes pride in that.

There is a pride factor when it comes to European Christians. When it comes to Korean Christians, its tradition. They are indoctrinated into a certain way of thinking because they are a very receptive people when it comes to religion. Because of that tradition and because of who they are as a race those things come into play. They take certain things certain ways. They are very dogmatic about it. It's very difficult to introduce new interpretations into their way of thinking whether its tradition or pride, it's a very difficult thing.

You literally have to start from scratch going back to wherever they are and trying to build something from that, just purely out of logic alone and create some kind of explanation that dates back thousands of years which you can not possibly find factual stuff that they will demand. It is very difficult.

On the other hand America, yes it's a European white people's land, is a relatively new country, but they still pay attention to equality. They don't care too much about the pride; they don't care too much about the tradition, because you're relatively young and you have this idealism. That's the key in my mind. America is important.

If we're going to keep on trying to convince the world of what we believe America is the only place that will allow what we have to actually see the light of day. For the Korean people it has to be something special like white people with golden hair and blue eyes. It's mysterious; it's mystical to them. That's absolutely true.

When you're bombarded by a certain way of thinking that in its self is a daunting challenge because it's impossible for you to change no matter how much plastic surgery you have you can't look like blond haired blue eyed white person.

They believe that it can't be them. It has to be something else. Isn't that the picture in the end? Isn't that why we struggle with the concept of the messiah? Because he can't be something like us. He's got to be something different. He can't defecate, he can't fart, he can't even piss because he is the messiah. Some people just require that something is mysterious.

What is the mystery? You can ask your self what is the mystery of becoming a good parent? In America 50% of marriages fail. When a marriage fails the father and mother decide to separate. Obviously the children will suffer. The family will break up. It will be separated and destroy the essence, the value of the union that brought forth the family to begin with.

When you face that kind of constant challenge pretty much on a daily basis, that's almost a routine. It's almost something that you expect. It's almost hit-or-miss. That's the tragedy. It's not something that is certain. It doesn't have that kind of certainty and security that we deserve if we think about the ideal.

Before we talk about idealism we have to pull ourselves back and think about practicality. In reality that's the case. How do you talk about idealism even if America is prepared for that kind of setting in which Father can be what He claims to be? He will die soon. He's not going to live too long. He is an old man. That is a fact. He is not going to live a thousand years.

There is some kid that I know that goes around meeting with big shots and rich people, saying that if we eat certain stuff we can live 700 years. Maybe it's possible in theory. He thinks like that because he has money. He has access to stuff before it's available to everybody else. Good luck.

People like to think about all sorts of things that give them some kind of comfort. I guess living long is a comfort to them. "That's the purpose of living, living long and I do what I do and some how the world is working in my favor when I do what I do and have what I have and get what I want" What's that kind of stuff? It's not life. Then what? What if it doesn't happen? Well, too bad kid. It's about that person only. It has nothing to do with anybody else. Nobody will think that kind of stuff in general. No ordinary people will think that. That is just so beyond their reality. There are people who literally think like that. They're not stupid. They're smart people. They believe all sorts of stupid things.

What does that mean? How do you build the Kingdom? Even if you have a great opportunity, in my mind, in America. Why because they... In my mind in our church status it's an irony, that equality thing is actually a good thing for us in the long run in what we do because there's no other way to put that kind of stress on reality to all.

If we do our part correctly, if we present our self and at the same time we can show that we are who we say we are. In the end that's how you can make a difference. And if you can make a difference in America, if you can stand out, you can stand out everywhere as long as they believe in Christianity.

Moslems and Islam is indigenous to regions where there are tribes that have hatreds that are thousands of years old, they have successfully dominated that region of Africa and South East Asia.

That's why America is important. We can fight fire with fire. Beyond killing each other and knowing who is greater at killing the other guy, we've got to have something more than that. That's why America is necessary before the spirit. The spirit talks about a lot of stuff that is absolute. If you struggle to think about spirit and never experience it. To be honest, I never heard God tell me to do something; its just trying to understand what I am, what I have to do.

America is a very important place because it will allow us to compete and prove that we can win; we're better than the other guy. Through our actions we can do it. The reason that we can do it in America is that equality stuff. It's not just based on a few people that winning comes. It's about raising the standard of all. That represents who we are. If we have to deal with religion, we should basically, in general know more about all sorts of different religions than any other followers of any other religion. In general you should focus on making sure that that becomes real. After that controlling of material wealth, What ever ideas that are out there that can make. Give access to the people, people who are in charge of doing something for the people in general. Go out of get as many ideas as possible and give it out. How to invest in this, how the stock market that, starting from that there are so many things that you can do.

Give people the understanding that we take for granted. Most people don't even care. We should care. We should know about every thing what ever the principles. If you have access to that stuff, you can make your own decisions. If they can do it you can do it because you understand the basics that they know. Sometimes if you're hesitant, kind of shy, what ever, it doesn't matter, stick together. Create a group so you can divide your risk. We have to in actuality be effective at something that we can take care of our self, our physical needs, our intellectual needs. And based on that whatever spirit says that God is willing to offer us it is going to happen. Only then the meaning will be true. Only then can you really digest and interpret that experience the ways it will benefit you to take the next step.

You can help others. It's important to know how to take care of yourself regardless of what happens and I think that is the duty of the church to do that. Other wise it is just words and nobody likes to just listen to words.

You have to take responsibility. Just on a secular human level as we know it we want justice. But what if we talk beyond that and think about idealism, the original stuff. Would the original stuff deal with right or wrong? If I cause something, if I'm willing to die for an idea I will do my best to make it back to what it was no matter how difficult it is.

But if I did something ... every body has a responsibility, but because of what I did all my brothers and sisters went their own way, do I want justice or do I want the ideal, if I truly care about the family and my father and mother. What would you do? What is the ideal?

I know what is ideal. Ideal is keeping your family, staying together, no matter difficult, you have to try, and I'll try at least. Because in the end what you have to try to do is do your best to become what you think God represents, what God is to you. That is the best you can offer. That is the best you can do. That is the greatest control that you can show to God, to the world and to your posterity.

You get a traffic ticket, you have to go to court; you get instant judgment. In the secular world or in a theocracy justice has to be practical. It has to be efficient. It gets served like fast food; it does. There a lot of people involved a lot of people who make mistakes. This is part of learning a lesson, because we all have to learn something to become better, but idealism is the ultimate law. That's why it's so difficult. A lot of people have cynicism because of the actual reality of history of religion. The actions that people have committed, the actual trials and tribulations are real and undeniable. Some people feel it more than others, but we all do to some degree and it's real. That's why this kind of cynicism comes to religious kind absolute stuff.

Someday, ideal world is the ideal world, people can change. We all have limitations but ask God right? That's where idealism comes from, understanding that. That's why we need to learn from our limitations. I don't mind sharing mine with you if it helps you. Why should you hide yours to me when it could help me? So unless we can give and take in all the Tree of Good and Evil, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we'll never be completely liberated; right?

To me that's a kind of mystical story, but in a sense it's true. I can understand what the old folks were saying. The less that you can deal with that in reality, subject and object relationship, because that's how it works to create order. From that you build love. That's how you create an ideal world. You truly care about relationships no matter what. If you can build that it doesn't matter what kind of misery, what kind of crazy stuff, chaos too, you will never forget you will never let that go. That kind of relationship always has a place and time. It will be timeless. It only takes a thought to get there, and you'll be right back to where you started, how it was. You will die someday. Think about what you will leave behind.

I'll try to do it as much as we can. I'll just pump it out to you and we'll get into that stuff too, more physical stuff, more realistic material stuff, information, because we've got nothing better to do. (Laughing)

Working together means a lot in America. We need to win here or it will be more difficult. Father is preparing for his dying and stuff. He has to do a lot of conditions, but the church is not catching up. That's why it creates distance because people can't understand it. Some of you have a hard time understanding it, how the heck can outside people who don't know anything about us to understand stuff, and crazy stuff if you believe all that's happening.

It doesn't work like that. To make sense to teenagers you have to have an impact on them, never mind people with accomplishments and pride. To build the kingdom, how are you going to achieve that? We have to raise ourselves. All of us have to know who we are, and know all the other people around you. That's the first step. That's the first right step we should take. We have to know everything about other people's religion. The fastest way to get it out, no matter what it is; that's the way we should do it.

First things first, we're a religious organization. Let's worry about steps afterwards, afterwards. Step-by-step.

Any questions that you want to ask me?

I'll take a few questions.

No questions?

Good. (Laughter)

See you later.